SAM-e (short for S-adenosylmethionine, also spelled SAMe) is made from the amino acid methionine and ATP. SAM-e is a methyl donor involved in the making of dozens of important compounds in the body. SAM-e has been available by prescription in Europe for many years as an antidepressant but has been available over the counter in the US only since about 1996. Dr. Ascanio Polimeni, a friend of mine who is a physician in Rome, Italy, says, "Some doctors in Europe prescribe SAM-e for the therapy of many conditions, including depression, chronic fatigue syndrome, and fibromyalgia." We suggest reading the SAM-e side effects discussed below and using low dosages since high doses of SAM-e cause side effects in many people. See the link for depression on natural ways to address this problem. Sleep has a strong influence on mood.
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CAUTION: Anxiety, mania or manic
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SAM-e in your system, you may only need to take 100 mg every day or every other day.
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pill in half
Q. I started on a dosage of 400 mg SAM-e supplement daily and
after a week felt like I was going insane. So I decided to step down the dosage
to 50 mg. It seems though like the 400 mg week long course almost acted like a
loading dose. Even stopping for 3 days and trying 50 mg immediately brought me
back to the same symptoms I was feeling before - shortness of breath, anxiety,
anger, etc. Every time I try and re-challenge with the 50 mg tab the symptoms
come back. This is weird since the 400 mg dose was fine for the most part of a
week. It could just be I am just sensitive to the SAM-e effects. I also take
daily mega doses of B vitamins which could also be extending its effects.
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Back in 1994, researchers at the University of California, Irvine Medical Center, did a
double-blind randomized trial involving a total of twenty-six patients. They compared oral
SAM-e with oral desipramine (a pharmaceutical antidepressant). At the end of the four-week
trial, 62 percent of the patients treated with SAM-e and 50 percent of the patients
treated with desipramine had significantly improved. Similar results were found
in a 2002 study when SAM-e was compared to imipramine. SAM-e has even been tested in depressed postmenopausal women. Researchers from
the University of La Sapienza in Rome, Italy gave SAM-e for thirty days to eighty women
between the ages of 45 and 59 with depression following either natural menopause or
hysterectomy. There was a significantly greater improvement in depressive symptoms in the
group treated with SAM-e compared to the placebo group. Side effects were mild and
transient.
New research
indicates that SAM-e may give the boot to Prozac and
other SSRIs. Actually I'm being a little premature. Researchers at
the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston found out that SAM-e carries
quite a punch.
When standard medication with selective serotonin
reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as
Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft, failed to
improve depression symptoms in 30 patients, adding the dietary supplement SAM-e
saved the day.
The researchers found that when they added the dietary supplement SAM-e to
the patients' treatment for six weeks, half saw their symptoms improve and
43 percent had a complete remission.
A larger trial is being conducted with more patients, and the scientists
will also test the combination of SAM-e together with standard
antidepressant therapy. SOURCE: Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology, December 2004.
SAM-e and gambling
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SAM-e
and liver
Q. Dr. Sahelian - My 17 year old daughter has suffered
from depression over the past year. She has had bad reactions in the past to
some prescription medication- Lexapro side effects. She is under the care of a
chiropractor who practices functional medicine. She has not responded to many of
the nutritional supplements that are indicated for her. She took the Sam-e under
this doctor's care, starting at a low dose of 100 mg and building up over time.
After about 3 weeks she started taking 600 mg. She then started to have SAM-e
side effects with a racing heart, pounding, anxiety attacks - worse upon
awakening but staying to some degree all day. She was on a good quality b
vitamin with this. This has continued for 8 days. She is mostly on the couch-
missed school two days last week. Very racing heart.
I wanted to see if Sam-E if taken at the 400mg dosage
can cause stomach issues - i.e. stomach upset, bloating, indigestion. It has
done wonders for my depression, but now I'm experiencing the stomach problems
and side effects.
I was reading your article and Q&A's on SAM e. I
started taking 200 mg tabs 13 days ago. I have felt extremely tired in the
mornings (hard to get out of bed) and heart palpitations. I was wondering why
and now think it may be due to the SAM e . I dont want to stop taking it but
would like to find a way to reduce this negative side of the supplement. I also
have noticed reduced appetite (but hey thats ok). I am 43 slim active dont eat
meat take supplements etc so am not concerned about the palpitations. I am
wondering however if certain supplements should NOT be taken at the same time as
SAM-e or which SHOULD be taken at the same time. I am not the best sleeper but
have not found that it interferes with my sleep. Can I cut the dose by simply
taking it with a meal? Can I take it every other day? Is SAM-e something that
needs to be taken forever or odes the body eventually have enough of a store
that you can go off it for a few months or more?
Biochemical properties of SAM-e Combining with St. John's wort Q. Is it okay to combine St. John’s Wort and Sam-e or
better to take one or the other? I am experiencing a loss of libido and wondering if
this combo is doing it. Can’t find any info on this on the internet. SAM-e metabolism SAM-e and Wellbutrin, Prozac,
Zoloft, Paxil, SSRI drugs SAM-e and thyroid medications
SAM-e Supplement Facts
SAM-e - 200 mg
Usage: Take half or 1 SAM-e tablet a few minutes before breakfast,
or as directed by your qualified health consultant. High doses of SAM-e
can lead to insomnia and anxiety. Many people do well with half a tablet
or even less, or half a tablet every other day.
Q. I do enjoy checking your website for recommendations. I am, however,
bewildered by your recommendation to take half of a 200 mg tablet of SAM-e
supplement.
Enteric coated tablets one would think, should not be cut - which would defeat
the purpose of the coating.
A. In my experience, SAM-e has worked effectively when the tablet
has been cut in half and the other half tablet used the next day. If anyone has
any published research that refutes this recommendation, I would be glad to
review it. For some people SAM-e taken at 200 mg can be counterproductive since
the side effects of insomnia and anxiety would defeat the purpose for using
SAM-e supplements effectively for depression.
A. Once the body is loaded up with certain herbs or supplements,
smaller amounts can trigger the same effects as higher amounts. This occurs with
SAM-e and B vitamins could enhance the effects.
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Because of its role in the making of neurotransmitters, SAM-e has been tested in
the therapy of depression. A number of studies have been published, mostly in Europe,
evaluating this nutrients role in mood disorders. Back in 1994, Dr. Bressa, from the
University Cattolica Sacro Cuore School of Medicine, in Rome, Italy conducted a
meta-analysis of the studies on SAM-e. A meta-analysis is a statistical pooling of already
published research papers. Dr. Bressa concludes, "The efficacy of SAM-e in treating
depressive syndromes and disorders is superior to that of placebo and comparable to that
of standard tricyclic antidepressants. Since SAM-e is a naturally occurring compound with
relatively few side-effects, it is a potentially important treatment for depression."
SAM-e has been found to improve mood in those with Parkinson's disease.
Q. I have
been taking SAM-e tablets for approximately three weeks and have had no
urges to gamble or drink. I am a recovering compulsive gambler and
alcoholic and have had recent bouts with depression. My counselor thought
that giving SAM-e tablets a try would help, as she found it to help other
gamblers and alcoholics such as myself. It is a blessing for me, as I can
focus more clearly on rational thinking day to day instead of the
delusional thoughts that compulsive gambling had led me to believe. I will
not admit that I am cured but the relief I am experiencing has been
amazing to say the least!
A. The effects of SAM-e supplements accumulate, therefore it is
best to reduce the dosage with time in order to avoid excess SAM-e side effects.
SAM-e
availability
A drawback to the use of SAM-e is cost. The retail price of SAM-e
is 60 to 80 cents per 200 mg pill. The suggested dose of SAM-e in the therapy of depression
ranges from 100 to 400 mg a day, although many individuals with mild depression do well with even
less than 100 mg. Since the lowest dose over the counter is 200 mg, one could
bite off half or a portion of a tablet and wrap it with plastic wrap for use the
next day. Remove the plastic before swallowing the leftover half. The plastic is
only for storage and avoidance of exposure to air.
Many nutrients work in a similar fashion to SAM-e,
particularly other methyl donors such as DMAE, TMG, DMG.
In fact, B12 and folate help the body produce SAM-e. Therefore, your dosage of SAM-e
should be reduced if you are taking other methyl donors. However, none of the
nutrients mentioned above work as well or as quickly as SAM-e in lifting mood.
SAM-e helps support the incorporation of sulfate
groups into proteoglycans which help maintain cartilage and protect joints. Some studies have suggested that Possesses
anti-inflammatory and tissue-healing properties that may help protect the health of
joints, and perhaps may lessen pain. It is quite possible that SAM-e may be useful for
people with osteoarthritis, although more research needs
to be done in this area.
Additional potential benefits
Cancer -- SAM-e may reduce liver toxicity in cancer patients undergoing
chemotherapy.
Q. I was curious about your page on SAM-e and why more of the liver enhancing
effects were not mentioned? I appreciate all of the input on the anxiety one can
experience on SAM-e. My husband has Hep C and is on a very high potency milk
thistle and NAC and I want to put him on SAM-e. I will proceed slowly with him
and I do expect it to enhance my husbands liver function.
A. The long term effects of SAM-e supplements on human liver
function is not clear and we will provide more information as more studies are
mentioned. In short term studies there have been some potential hints of SAM-e
being beneficial in liver health, but longer term trials are needed to determine
if liver health improves or whether there are side effects.
SAM-e side effects
High doses can lead to SAM-e side effects of anxiety and restlessness, headache, and
cause insomnia. Long term SAM-e side
effects are currently not known. The effects seem to be additive over several days of use,
hence your SAM-e dosage may need to be reduced with time. Some do well on even 50 or 100 mg
SAM-e (one
quarter or one half of a 200 mg pill) per day or every other day. Caution is advised when combining
SAM-e with pharmaceutical antidepressants or other drugs and supplements with a
stimulant nature.
SAM-e side effects may also lead to a manic swing in those with bipolar disorder.
Another SAM-e side effect is nausea which can be reduced when it is taken with
or after a meal as opposed to an empty stomach. I have also had feedback from
some users that they experienced heart palpitations.
We started out slowly with her- on 100 mg and gradually building up
as we saw no response. In the directions on one of the SAM-e boxes it suggests
starting at 400 mg and doubling it and higher if the desired effect is not seen.
It would be good if manufacturers were more conservative on the box for
recommended dosage.
A. It is best to discuss this with the prescribing doctor who is
likely to suggest stopping all supplements, including the B vitamins, and
increasing water intake. If the heart racing is continuous without relief, a
doctor could prescribe the temporary use of a beta blocker. SAM-e is very potent
and we don't suggest using more than 100 mg on a daily basis. It is also a good
idea to take it every other day if it feels that the effects are accumulating.
Yes, it is possible that these pills, in high dosages, can
cause gastrointestinal symptoms.
Each person who uses these pills for mood enhancement has a
different need and dosage. It is quite possible that heart palpitations are
caused by this natural supplement. Some people find good benefits with a lower
dosage or taking the pills every other day. The use of any medication or natural
pill for mood enhancement and treating depression varies depending on the
severity of the depression and the circumstances that let to it. Some people may
only need to take these natural products for a brief period whereas others need
to take them off and on for several months or years.
Unlike other methyl donors where the research is scarce, there have been a
number of studies with SAM-e. These studies have shown that SAM-e influences brain
chemicals by helping to convert norepinephrine to epinephrine and serotonin to melatonin.
Sam-e is also involved in the production of creatine, an important energy reservoir in muscle tissue.
Sam-e helps the
preservation of glutathione, an important antioxidant.
Furthermore, SAM-e is involved in
the formation of myelin, the white sheath that surrounds nerve cells and it can improve
brain cell membrane fluidity, thus potentially enhancing the function of receptors.
SAM-e Summary
SAM-e is a useful therapeutic agent for depression and perhaps arthritis
and other disorders. Long-term studies are needed with SAM-e before making
widespread recommendations for its use. However, short-term human studies thus far have
found it to be effective. Many people can do well with less than the normal 200
mg tablets.
Dr. Bottiglieri and colleagues, from Baylor
Research Institute, in Dallas, Texas, published a review article on SAM-e and other methyl
donors. They summarize, "SAM-e is required in numerous methylation reactions
involving nucleic acids, proteins, phospholipids, amines and other neurotransmitters. The
synthesis of SAM-e is intimately linked with folate and vitamin B12 metabolism, and
deficiencies of both these vitamins have been found to reduce central nervous system SAM-e
concentrations. Both folate and vitamin B12 deficiency may cause similar neurological and
psychiatric disturbances including depression, dementia, and peripheral neuropathy.
Studies support a current theory that impaired methylation may occur by different
mechanisms in several neurological and psychiatric disorders."
Q. Would it be safe to combine low doses
of SAM-e and St John's Wort herbal extract?
A. Unexpected side effects can occur when strong herbs
and supplements are combined. As a rule I prefer not mixing potent supplements,
such as St. John's wort and SAM-e unless a person is fully aware of how each one
influences their body. Overstimulation and insomnia are common side effects from
the combination of St. John's wort and SAM-e. If a person does combine both the
same day, the dosages should be a quarter or at most half of the dosage of each
taken separately.
S-adenosylmethionine (SAM-e or AdoMet) is the major biological methyl
donor in reactions catalyzed by methyltransferases. SAM-e is also used as a
source of methylene groups (in the synthesis of cyclopropyl fatty acids), amino
groups (in the synthesis of 7,8-diaminoperlagonic acid, a precursor of biotin),
ribosyl groups (in the synthesis of epoxyqueuosine, a modified nucleoside in
tRNAs) and aminopropyl groups (in the synthesis of ethylene and polyamines).
Q. I already take Wellbutrin (150 mg per day) and Prozac (20 mg per day) and am
considering trying Sam-e pills to help with my PMDD symptoms. The
antidepressants seem to help except when I am premenstrual. I become more
depressed, agitated, nervous and my ability to concentrate gets even worse
during this time. I have 2 small children and quite honestly, my PMDD is very
disruptive to our lives. I plan to consult my doctor and pharmacist, but what
would be your opinion on adding Sam-e pills to my regimen?
A. I can't advise to take or not to take SAM-e pills but I can only
give general guidelines. As a general
rule, it is not a good idea to take a SAM-e supplement along with pharmaceutical
antidepressants. SAM-e is powerful and should be considered as potent as a
pharmaceutical antidepressant. Ideally a SAM-e pill should be taken by itself to
determine how it is working by itself rather than being confused on its effects
when taken with Wellbutrin, Prozac or other prescription antidepressants. There
are no specific guidelines that apply to every person since much depends on the
dosage used of the medications and the SAM-e dosage, how long a person has been
taking the medications, the severity of the depression and the recovery, other
medications used at the same time, other supplements used, diet, activity level,
sleep patterns, heart conditions, blood pressure, and other factors.
Q. Does SAM-e interfere with Synthroid for those who are hypothyroid and are
taking Synthroid medication or Levothyroid?
A. SAM-e is quite a potent supplement and should be treated as
carefully as a prescription medication. In those whose dosage of thyroid
medication tends to be slightly excessive, the side effects of SAM-e, such as
rapid heart beat, restlessness and insomnia, could be aggravated. Levothyroid (levothyroxine
sodium) contains synthetic crystalline L-3, 3', 5, 5'-tetraiodothyronine sodium
salt [levothyroxine (T4) sodium]. Synthetic T4 is identical to that produced in
the human thyroid gland.
SAM-e Research studies
S-Adenosyl methionine ( SAM-e ) versus celecoxib for the
treatment of osteoarthritis symptoms: A double-blind cross-over trial.
Najm WI, Reinsch S, Hoehler F et al. BMC Musculoskelet Disord. 2004 Feb
SAM-e is a dietary supplement used in the
management of osteoarthritis (OA) symptoms. Studies evaluating SAM-e in the
management of OA have been limited to Non Steroidal Anti-inflammatory Drugs (NSAIDs)
for comparison. The present study compares the effectiveness of SAM-e to a
cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2) inhibitor (celecoxib) for pain control, functional
improvement and to decrease side effects in people with osteoarthritis of the
knee. METHODS: A randomized double-blind cross-over study, comparing SAM-e (1200
mg) with celecoxib (Celebrex 200 mg) for 16 weeks to reduce pain associated with
OA of the knee. Sixty-one adults diagnosed with OA of the knee were enrolled and
56 completed the study. Subjects were tested for pain, functional health, mood
status, isometric joint function tests, and side effects. RESULTS: On the first
month of Phase 1, celecoxib showed significantly more reduction in pain than
SAM-e. By the second month of Phase 1, there was no significant
difference between both groups. The duration of treatment and the
interaction of duration with type of treatment were statistically significant. On most functional health measures both groups showed a notable
improvement from baseline, however no significant difference between SAM-e and celecoxib was observed. Isometric joint function tests appeared to be steadily
improving over the entire study period regardless of treatment. CONCLUSION:
SAM-e has a slower onset of action but is as effective as celecoxib in the
management of symptoms of knee osteoarthritis. Longer studies are needed to
evaluate the long-term effectiveness of SAM-e and the optimal dose to be used.
S-adenosylmethionine supplementation for treatment of
chemotherapy-induced liver injury.
Anticancer Res. 2003 Nov-Dec;23(6D):5173-9.
Liver toxicity can be observed during treatment with most chemotherapic
agents, and represents one of the principal causes of dose reduction or
chemotherapy delays. SAM-e plays a critical
role in the synthesis of polyamines and provides cysteine for the production of
glutathione (GSH), the major endogenous hepatoprotective agent. Our study was
aimed at assessing the protective effect of SAM-e supplementation in cancer
chemotherapy-induced liver toxicity. Fifty cancer patients
who developed, for the first time, anticancer chemotherapy-induced liver
toxicity were studied. Enrolled patients received oral SAM-e supplementation.
AST, ALT and LDH levels recorded at the moment of the recognition of
liver toxicity were significantly reduced after one week of SAM-e therapy . AST,
ALT and LDH decrease was confirmed after two weeks of treatment. Furthermore,
the effect on these enzyme levels persisted in the following chemotherapy
courses, permitting our patients to perform the scheduled chemotherapy courses
with a minimal number of dose reductions or administration delays. The efficacy
of SAM-e supplementation was not influenced by the presence of liver metastases,
and no appreciable side-effects were recognized. The results of our
study clearly demonstrate a protective effect of SAM-e in cancer
chemotherapy-induced liver toxicity. Further large phase III studies are
required to assess the real clinical benefit associated with SAM-e
supplementation.
A double-blind, randomized parallel-group, efficacy and safety
study of intramuscular S-adenosyl-L-methionine 1,4-butanedisulphonate (SAM-e)
versus imipramine in patients with major depressive disorder.
Int J Neuropsychopharmacol. 2002 Dec;5(4):287-94.
SAM-e is a natural substance which constitutes the
most important methyl donor in transmethylation reactions in the central nervous
system. Several clinical trials have shown that SAM-e possesses an
antidepressant activity. This multicentre study was carried out to confirm both
efficacy and safety of SAM-e in the treatment of major depression. SAM-e was
given intramuscularly (i.m.) at a dose of 400 mg/d, double-blind, vs. 150 mg/d
oral Imipramine (IMI) in patients with a diagnosis of major depressive episode,
with a baseline score on the 21-item Hamilton Depression Rating Scale (HAMD) of
>or=18. A total of 146 patients received SAM-e whereas 147 received IMI for a
period of 4 wk. The two main efficacy measures were endpoint HAMD score and
percentage of responders to Clinical Global Impression (CGI) at week 4.
Secondary efficacy measures were the final Montgomery-Asberg Depression Rating
Scale (MADRS) scores and the response rate intended as a fall in HAMD scores of
at least 50% with respect to baseline. The analysis of safety and tolerability
was conducted in all treated patients. SAM-e and IMI did not differ
significantly on any efficacy measure, either main or secondary. Adverse events
were significantly less in patients treated with SAM-e compared to those treated
with IMI. These data show 400 mg/d i.m. SAM-e to be comparable to 150 mg/d oral
IMI in terms of antidepressive efficacy, but significantly better tolerated.
These findings suggest interesting perspectives for the use of SAM-e in
depression.
SAM-e improves depression in patients with Parkinson's disease
Researchers at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York report a study of SAM-e in 13 depressed patients with Parkinson's disease. SAM-e is an amino-like
nutrient naturally present in the body and available as a supplement in health
food stores. All patients had been previously treated with other antidepressant
agents and had no significant benefit or had intolerable side effects. SAM-e was
administered in doses of 800 mg per day for a period of 10 weeks. Eleven
patients completed the study, and 10 had at least a 50% improvement on the
Hamilton Depression Scale. One patient did not improve. Two patients prematurely
terminated participation in the study because of increased anxiety. One patient
experienced mild nausea, and another two patients developed mild diarrhea, which
resolved spontaneously. Although uncontrolled and preliminary, this study
suggests that SAM-e is well tolerated and may be an alternative to the
antidepressant agents currently used in patients with Parkinson's disease.
Dr. Sahelian says: SAM-e is a available over the counter in a dose of 200 mg.
It is widely used in Europe to treat depression and has also been somewhat
helpful in treating alcoholic liver cirrhosis and osteoarthritis. I often start
my patients with 100 mg in the morning and build up to a maximum of 200 mg twice a day. High doses can lead to anxiety and restlessness. Prolonged use of
SAM-e should only be done under medical supervision.
SAM-e better than Prozac?
A couple of issues ago I mentioned the role of SAM-e in joint health and
how Vioxx, the so called arthritis wonder drug, got kicked out since it
was causing an increased risk of heart attacks. This week new research
indicates that SAM-e, also spelled SAM-e, may give the boot to Prozac and
other SSRIs. Actually I'm being a little premature. Researchers at
the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston found out that SAM-e carries
quite a punch.
When standard medication with selective serotonin
reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as
Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft, failed to
improve depression symptoms in 30 patients, adding the dietary supplement SAM-e
saved the day.
The researchers found that when they added the dietary supplement SAM-e to
the patients' treatment for six weeks, half saw their symptoms improve and
43 percent had a complete remission.
SAM-e, short for S-adenosyl-L-methionine, is a substance produced naturally
in the body that is involved in a number of biochemical processes
including the making of several brain chemicals that relay messages
between nerve cells.
A larger trial is being conducted with more patients, and the scientists
will also test the combination of SAM-e together with standard
antidepressant therapy.
My comments: I have personally taken SAM-e just to
see what it would do, and it is quite a powerful mood lifter. Perhaps I'm
sensitive to nutrients, but I notice the effects on 100 mg, sometimes even
less. Almost all the tablets on the market are SAM-e 200 mg. If you plan to take SAM-e under medical guidance, here's a few tips your doctor may not know.
It's best taken in the morning before breakfast for a quick absorption, or
it can be taken with breakfast if you want to slow the effects. I notice
within one to two hours being more alert and more motivated to do things,
and in a better mood. Many of the clinical studies have used several
hundred mgs, but in the long run this can cause side effects. The most
common are overstimulation, insomnia, and headache. You can actually feel
anxious and restless if you take too much. If you wish to take a small amount, bite off
half or a third of a 200 mg SAM-e tablet and use the rest the next day.
You may need to adjust your dose down over the next few days since it can
start building up in the system, or you can take a day or two off. Each
person is unique in their response.
Sam-e
supplement emails and comments
Q.
it seems that sam-e and the antidepressant wellbutrin both relieve depression by
increasing norepinephrine and dopamine levels. Do they work similarly on the
brain, then? (I ask because I am currently taking wellbutrin and am thinking of
switching to sam-e.)
A. To the best of my knowledge, the mechanism of action
of Wellbutrin is still not very clear, but it does involve the adrenergic
system. SAM-e helps the brain make more of certain neurotransmitters. My guess
is that the mechanism of action of SAM-e is different than Wellbutrin. Now, it
may be that they both provide good anti-depressant effects, which is the final
objective. As to switching from Wellbutrin to SAM-e, that we would be a decision
you would make in cooperation with your doctor.
Q. I am trying SAM-e instead of Wellbutrin to
attempt to counteract atypical depression which has bothered me for years. I
went off of 150 mg of Wellbutrin 2 weeks ago, and have been taking 200 mg of
SAMe in the am. Perhaps I am sensitive to drugs ( I think I am), and I think it
is affecting my sleep, as I can not sleep more than 2-3 hours at a time, and
then I wake up in the am with some scary anxiety.
Q. Is it okay to combine SAM-e with Paxil or other SSRIs?
A. We do not recommend such combination. They are both potent and the
combination could lead to overstimulation and other side effects.
Q. For depression, should one try 5-HTP
or SAM-e?
A. 5-HTP converts into serotonin while SAM-e can raise levels of several
brain chemicals including norepinephrine, dopamine and others. Each person
responds differently. Some may be very deficient in serotonin and benefit from
5-HTP, while others may benefit from SAM-e. There's really no good blood test
that can tell who will respond to what.
Q. I've just purchased some Sam-e for depression as
I experience too many side-effects with anti-depressants. I have read that it is
wise to take additional B vitamins, particularly B6, B12 and folic acid, when
taking Sam-e in order to prevent toxic build-up of homocysteine. Apparently
these vitamins assist in the breakdown of homocysteine which is formed when
Sam-e breaks down.
A. We're not totally sure whether extra B vitamins are
needed if someone is taking SAM-e. Perhaps it depends on one's diet and
biochemistry. It would not hurt to take 1 to 3 times the RDA of the B vitamins.
Q. Got my first newsletter since signing up. Excellent! Will Sam-e cause similar
sexual side effects as prescription antidepressants (like decreased libido)?
A. Not likely, if anything there may be a slight increase. 5-HTP, on the
other hand, by converting into serotonin, may decrease sex drive.
Q. I am considering purchasing some of
your products, one being sam-e. I understand that sam-e has some
neurotransmitter effects. Would there be any adverse interactions between sam-e
(at approx 1 g/ed) and deprenyl at 1-2.5 mg/ed, or can they be taken together
with no problems?
A.
SAM-e has a stimulatory nature and even 200 mg can be a lot for some people. Deprenyl can stimulate dopamine levels, the combination may be too much and
overly energizing, however if dosages are kept very low for both, it may work,
under medical supervision.
Q. Dear Dr Sahelian, I had
heart by pass surgery. For my low mood, my Doctor suggested I try Lexapro.
Before doing that I did some research on natural products I had heard about. I
read your extensive report on 5-HTP and less extensive one on SAM-e. I want to
try SAM-e as it appears least side effects. However I have the following
question: 1. I have bought 200mg tabs made in Italy. I want to start with may be
50mg. You have mentioned that one can bite off the pill. SAM-e is enteric coated
as it is supposed to act in the intestines. If one bites off a pill, will the
exposed portion have any negative effect? I am very impressed with you. Very
many prominent Doctors make reference about your books and works.
A. As to the question of
biting a piece of the tablet, as long as the same piece is used within a few
days it should not be a problem. For extra care, that bitten off piece could
even be wrapped with a small amount of clear plastic wrap.
Q. I
took Sam-e several months ago for about a month or so and found it to be amazing
stuff! I had to quit because of gastro intestinal problems, mainly gas and
loose stools. However, after reading your info. on it, I may try it again in a
lower dose. I was taking 400 mgs SAM-e a day. All in the morning 30 minutes before
breakfast. I even tried splitting it up in two doses, morning and before lunch,
as recommended by it's manufacturer, to no avail. I was having phenomenal
results for my depression with it, but was experiencing what might be classified
as anxiety later in the day. No sleep problems, however. I saw it as more
hyperactivity, though. The package warns that people with bi-polar disorder not
use it, because of mania that could be experienced with it. I have to say that
may be what I was experiencing, even though I had only been diagnosed with major
depression. Recently, however, I was diagnosed with ADHD, which I think has
been a major contributor and cause of the depression for all these years. I do
believe it helped me focus much better and my concentration was better over
all. I can't say it cured me of all of my ADD symptoms, but I felt better while
taking Sam-e than I have in years!! Simply amazing stuff and I think I am going
to try the lower doses, as you recommend, to see what happens. I was put on
Ritilan last week, but had to stop it after two days due to severe anxiety from
it. I go back to my ADHD specialist tomorrow and I am going to see what he says
about trying Sam-e. A well known specialist in the field actually recommends
Sam-e in one of his books for one of his six types of ADHD, which I happen to
fall under. Must explain why it worked so well for me. Now, if I can
only quell those bad gassy effects!
Q.
You
mentioned that Sam-e may cause anxiety in some. Does this mean that if you have anxiety
you should not take it? Will the anxiety subside once the body adjusts to the supplement?
A. Anxiety is dose dependent, 50 or 100 mg should not cause anxiety, and it is difficult
to predict in each individual how they will respond to SAM-e, whether anxiety will develop
or not.
Q. I've
been doing some research on SAM-e. What surprises me is the dosage you suggest. Other
websites, studies and merchants uniformly recommend that therapeutic levels for depression
are 800 to 1600 mg/day. I even found one site that said that dosages of 400mg to 800mg
SAM-e
recommended by some manufacturers are NOT usually therapeutic and not to get discouraged
if you don't notice results using label recommendations. Have you had patients who
only responded to higher doses?
A. It is possible that severely depressed patients may need up to 800 mg a day, however,
most patients with mild to moderate depression respond on 100 to 200 mg a day, and the
effects of SAM-e are enhanced over several days of use. If too much is taken side effects,
including insomnia, occur, which is counterproductive to mood enhancement. Many studies
are done short term and use high doses to elicit a response, but this does not mean that
high doses should be taken forever.
Q. Can Sam-e cause higher blood pressure
in individuals who had previously had a history of low blood pressure?
A. One small study did not indicate sam-e raised BP, however, it is possible that
some individuals who respond with higher bp after sam-e intake.
Q. It was suggested for me to take 25mg of Zoloft for a
week then increase to 50mg for mild depression. I preferred to take a natural
substance and I did some research on Sam-e and purchased 20 200mg of Sam-e. I took
two 200mg this morning now this afternoon I'm experiencing anxiety.
A. Anxiety is a very common side effect of SAM-e in doses
greater than 100 or 200 mg.
Q. Quick
question: I want to take 100mg of same but I can't find anyone that sells it. The minimum
dose seems to be 200 mg. Can you give me any leads?
A. If you search the internet for SAM-e 100 mg, you may find some
sources. Another option is to bite off about half of a 200 mg pill.
Q, I am now 77 years old and
have had fibromyalgia for more years than I would like to remember. Am in my third year of
taking guaifensin under Dr. St. Amand's care with what I feel, think, and know are
excellent results. Since Dr. St. Amand's office said sam-e would not block guai I tried it
on 2/18/03.
Without having done too much research I had taken 2 (200 mg) pills in the AM on an empty
stomach. I was very surprised and almost frightened with an anxiety reaction the first
day. However, my pain was relieved and my sense of well being was very good for a change,
altho I am on Zoloft 200 mgm daily.
I then cut the pill in half and have taken a half for three days. Very little anxiety if
any, and pain is diminished. Have read of this side effect on maybe only one other
internet article. Thank you for pointing out this reaction.
Q. I was interested in what you had to say about
SAM-e. I appreciate your caution and emphasis on the fact that little is known. I had a
very bad reaction on 800 mg. a day. Had 5 months of severe gastro-intestinal disturbance,
and severely high blood pressure (which rapidly abated when I discontinued the SAM-e). I
was also taking B-complex daily but homocystine apparently built up anyway. Also, had bad
withdrawal when I quit the stuff. About 4 or 5 days of high anxiety, mustle twitching, and
depression. In my opinion, SAM-e is bad stuff.
A. Actually a nutrient or herb can be beneficial or a poison depending on dosage. For many
people, daily doses greater than 100 or 200 mg of SAM-e can cause side effects in the long
run.
Q. As far as I understand SAM-e comes in enteric coated
tablets and should not be broken.
A. I am familiar with SAM-e manufacturers recommendations, however
I have
found that taking the half SAM-e pill the next day is effective, and if taken
with a little bit of food, it slows the absorption. You can wrap the half pill
with plastic wrap.
Q. I took sam-e a few years ago and it was amazing. It really took away my
depression and I felt great-the best I remember in a long time. Unfortunately,
it really upset my stomach so I had to stop. I would like to try it again and
wonder if you know of any way to take it to avoid stomach upset or if there is a
sam-e formula that you know of that is less upsetting on the stomach. I did find
a liquid sam-e but it was a fortune and I found that I was going through a
bottle every other day and at $40 a bottle, I couldn't afford it. So my question
is - do you know of any way to take sam-e to avoid the stomach upset and do you
know if it eventually subsides with time and if your body gets used to it? I am
also wondering why I am now reading on some web sites that sam e helps people
with gastrointestinal irritation.
A. SAM-e may cause gastrointestinal symptoms, and one
way to avoid it is to take a smaller amount, such as 50 or 100 mg and to take
SAM-e with food. It would be quite unusual if SAM-e continued causing stomach
problems on this low dosage.
Q. Sam-e has been effective for my mild depression. I very much appreciate your
information on smaller doses. I'm very sensitive to most meds, herbal or
otherwise. The first time I used sam-e I tapered on very slowly: 50 mg with food
for several days, then 50 mg on an empty stomach. My best dose eventually became
100 mg with food to slow the absorbtion. The second time I used sam-e I tried
100 mg on an empty stomach. Mistake! I had tremendous anxiety that persisted for
several hours. I've learned my lesson to taper on slowly to everything I try,
which is in line with what previous doctors had suggested to me as well.
A. Thank you for the feedback. Most of sam-e tablets on
the market are 200 mg and that may be too high a dose for some people.
Q. I read your website on Same-e. I am a doctor
who works in Hawaii and recently began taking the nature made sam-e product for
some back pains, and much to my surprise it worked almost immediately. If it is
a placebo effect, which i doubt, i am just as thankful. However, I note you
caution folks about anxiety on higher sam-e dose. I have been using sam-e 400 mg
a day, and as a very anxious person am happy to say my anxiety has diminished by
50-70%. Of course we all know that drugs can have these sorts of effects on
small groups of people. But it is fascinating to see it alleviate my anxiety as
a nice pay off!
A. There is a wide range of dosage responses to sam-e
and I am quite sure it is not a placebo response, SAM-e really works. Be on the
lookout for insomnia or irritability since SAM-e has a way to add on itself and
have a cumulative effect over time building up on the dosage from the day
before. Less of a SAM-e amount may be needed as the days and weeks go on.
Q. I am interested in knowing whether it is okay for a
woman to continue to take Sam- e while pregnant. Are there any studies?
A. We are not aware of studies with SAM-e and pregnancy
but SAM-e is powerful and influences body chemistry to a great extent and we
suggest you discuss with your doctor. We are not in a position to make
individual recommendations.
Q. I have a 15 year old son who suffers from
anxiety and I would like
to know if any research has been done on children taking SAM-e.
A. We have not seen studies regarding children and
SAM-e. If you child's doctor approves, a quarter or third of an adult dose can
be temporarily used to elevate mood, but there are better options for anxiety
than SAM-e.
Q. Could you please tell me if it is safe to take
Sam-e with Lorazepam?
A. Lorazepam (Ativan) is an anti-anxiety drug used for
the management of anxiety disorders and anxiety associated with depression.
SAM-e is quite potent and could lead to anxiety if used in high doses. Your
doctor should be aware you are using SAM-e.
Q. I have been taking Sam-e for about 4 years now. I
have tried to come off it but I became became very depressed so I would go right
back on it.. However, that is not my question. I was sent to a hemotologist
because my white and red blood count was very low. I was wondering if you have
any studies showing that this is a side effect of Sam-e. I know my doctor is
going to research this for me, but I am not going to see him for tow weeks and
that is to have a bone marrow biopsy. I thought if you knew if this was a sam-e
side effect, perhaps it would determine if I need the biopsy or not. I would
like to avoid the test if this is a known side effect of the sam-e. I was so
glad to find this site because I have had so many questions about sam-e but did
not know where to get answers. Sam-e has really helped me with depression, but
Im not sure how long is considered safe to take it.
A. We have not seen any long term studies with SAM-e,
and don't know anyone who has taken it for this long without a break, so we
really don't know if SAM-e had an influence on the red blood count.
Q. I have been taking Sam-e for about 4 years now. I
have tried to come off it but I became became very depressed so I would go right
back on it.. However, that is not my question. I was sent to a hemotologist
because my white and red blood count was very low. I was wondering if you have
any studies showing that this is a side effect of Sam.e. I know my doctor is
going to research this for me, but I am not going to see him for tow weeks and
that is to have a bone marrow biopsy. I thought if you knew if this was a side
effect, perhaps it would determine if I need the biopsy or not. I would like to
avoid the test if this is a known side effect of the sam.e. I was so glad to
find this site because I have had so many questions about sam-e but did not know
where to get answers. It has really helped me with depression, but Im not sure
how long is considered safe to take it.
A. I have not seen any long term
studies with SAM-e, therefore I really can't say whether long term use of SAM-e
is involved in this matter of low white and red blood cell count.
Q. I am taking
5-htp for anxiety/depression
and weight loss. I would like to add SAM-e to help with hip pain. I have used
SAM-e in the past and had great results with it for my hip, but didn't notice
that it affected my mood, so I am wanting to continue the 5-htp. Can I use both
together?
A. Unexpected side effects can occur when potent
nutrients are combined, therefore caution is advised. SAM-e can cause a great
deal of stimulation, and the effects are additive over several days, so the
dosage may need to be reduced. The effect of 5-HTP may be altered when used the
same day as SAM-e, and it is difficult to predict how mood will be affected
since each person may react differently, and the dosage used can make a
difference. Furthermore, it is possible that an initial reaction with the
combination may be different several days later even if the same dosage is used.
Hence, caution is advised, and always use low dosages until you have a full
understanding on how these nutrients are influencing your brain chemistry.
Q. I was wondering why SAMe s-Adenosylmethionine is
not for the bipolar person? I have a friend on Lamictal and SAM-e and she seems
to be fine on it. It is listed that it can induce mania. How so. Is there
health risks with SAMe?
A. SAM-e can induce a manic state in some people
therefore dosage and use needs to be constantly evaluated to avoid sending
someone into a manic phase.
Q. I am having a very good response to using SAM-e for
about a month for mild depression (which I have had for years). At the low doses
Dr. Sahelian recommends I am having no trouble with it and I am very pleased
because many supplements (other than straight vitamin/mineral supplements)
recommended to help often cause me a lot of trouble in the way of irritability
or nervousness or even more depression. But please tell me – would there be
problems to suddenly stopping SAM-e? Does it have a rebound effect? If so, is
there a way around this? I appreciate any info you can give me. And thank Dr.
Sahelian for his wonderful advice.
A. Thus far we have not seen a rebound effect to SAM-e
or any significant problems when SAM-e is stopped, but there could be exceptions
in rare individuals.
Q. Thank you for
answering! I am so happy that I’ve finally found something that helps (and no
way was I going on any prescription drugs). I literally feel like a new person
and this sorry old world looks like a beautiful place again.
Q. Recently I have come off of antidepressants,
particularly Effexor. The reactions to coming off the meds were horrific. I
still deal with severe joint pain and fatigue. However, recently I was
introduced to a Sam-e product called Me-Cofactors by Dews. The manufacturer
claims this combination of Sam-e is superior to others due to the inclusion of
other factors. I've only been able to determine the "other factors" in
Me-Cofactors by Dews as being Xanthosine (as derived from caffeine). Perhaps the
inclusion of the B vits is considered to be a selling factor as well. I realize
the B vits are very important in helping to keep the homocystine in check. My
question, since I don't understand chemistry all that well, is what benefit does
the xanthosine contribute? I have a sensitivity to caffeine and have found some
difficulty in breathing and the usual "tingle in the veins" when using this
particular product. However, my sense of energy and well-being have improved.
Joint pain is a huge
problem for me. And I believe this pain has contributed to my "depression". How
much pain can a person endure without being depressed? Seems to be a Catch22.
A. An internet search reveals Me-Cofactors by Dews to
have the following: One Caplet Me-Cofactors by Dews provides: Vitamin B6 10 mg; Folate 100 mcg; Vitamin B12 7 mcg; Purine Alkaloids Complex (Adenosine and
Xanthosine compounds) 128 mg; Methionine 72 mg; Curcumin Extract 25 mg. It does not appear Me-Cofactors by Dews has actual
SAM-e itself.
Q. SAM-e seems to really work for my depression but
causes severe gastro-intestinal upset even in lower doses, is there anything I
can take to counter act this negative side effect? Any advise would be
appreciated since SAM-e is the only thing that seems to work for my depression.
A. Taking it with a good sized breakfast may help, and
perhaps drinking ginger tea in the morning or taking a capsule or two of ginger
may be helpful. You could also try even lower doses of SAM-e.
Q. I am a medical doctor and understand that SAM-e can
cause anxiety at higher doses. But SSRIs can help anxiety, so could SAM-e also
be used to treat anxiety at 50-100mg per day rather than the higher 200mg-1600mg
doses I have seen? Could low doses of SAM-e be used for anxiety?) I am hesitant
to prescribe 5HTP because of its side effects. SAMe seems to have a much better
side effect profile. Do you have any other specific supplements that you would
recommend for the treatment of anxiety? I prefer to recommend supplements that
have little potential for drug interactions (unfortunately, many herbs do). SAM-e
has few common drug interactions, assuming you are not prescribing psychoactive
drugs.
A. SAM-e is low doses may not cause anxiety initially,
but there is a potential that it's effects may accumulate over several days, and
even though the first few days of low dose may not cause anxiety, it could build
in the system and eventually cause restlessness and irritability and tenseness.
Q. Can you tell me if OptiForm Sam-e, made in India is
a reliable source of Sam-e?
A. I have not heard of OptiForm SAM-e, and I do not
test products not formulated by me, so I can't give advice on this
question.
Q. Hi, I took 200mg of sam-e supplement for a couple of weeks
and felt great , but had some trouble with anxiety and and depression and
started to take 400mg and symptoms seem to get worse, what would be the best
dose I should decrease to ? also I read that sam-e can cause a rare
but dangerous reaction in some called serotonin syndrome what is it ?
A. Usually SSRIs cause serotonin syndrome. SAM-e
influences many brain chemicals, not just serotonin. High dosages of SAM-e can
cause anxiety, I prefer using 100 mg or less.
Q. I love the anti-depressant effects of SAM-e;
however, the anxiety and restlessness gets so bad (even at 50 mg) that I am
ready to get off of SAM-e. Do you have any suggestions of what people have done
in the past to bring down the anxiety effects of SAM-e? From what I'm
experiencing, SAM-e might only be good for those who have ONLY depression. Is
that true?
A. Yes, anxiety is a SAM-e side effect, and some people prefer to
use it every other day or take even less on a daily basis or take it with food.
Q. Dr. Sahelian, I have recently heard about Sam E and
would like to try it for joint and back pain. I don't take any other
prescription medications. I do take Centrum multivitamins (high performance) and
right now I live on Ibuprofen. Every article I have read says Sam E is natural,
I think if it is natural then you should be able to take anything else with it
but I'm not sure, so I have a question. If I start taking Sam E can I still take
the vitamins, probably won't need the ibuprofen. Could you please let me know,
if Sam E works I am really looking forward to getting out of bed in the mornings
without 5 or 10 minutes of struggling.
A. We can't give individual advice, but if you were to take sam-e,
and your doctor approves, most people need only a portion of a tablet since side
effects can occur on a full tablet. You may also consider having your doctor
read the joint power rx
page.
Q. Good morning Dr. Sahelian, I am from Netherlands and
I want to report you the very good results by taking SAM-e for several weeks
now. (about 8 weeks) My mood has made improvements, I have much more energy, a
clearer mind and less problems with the poly arthrosis i'm suffering from.
Also my husband has good results with his muscle problems and energy. I take
100mg each day. I'd like to continue this supplement the rest of my life. My
question to you: is it harmful to use this supplement for years? I tried 200 mg.
first, but I lowered to 100 mg, cause that also had good effects to me and its
cheaper of course. Thanks a lot for your answer, PS I tried a lot of supplements
in my life, but this is the first supplement I really experience the results
(even on to the very first day).
A. Not enough is known regarding the long term use of SAM-e
supplement use. To be
on the safe side, I prefer taking a day or two off each week, and a minimum of 4
days off each month. I try to be cautious about using the same supplement all
the time.
Q. I saw a promotion for SAM-e Tosylate Disulfate. How
different is this from regular SAM-e supplement?
A. Tosylate disulfate is a stabilizing agent. It does not seem that
the tosylate disulfate has much of a contribution based on one study listed
below, although we don't have much knowledge about this form of SAM-e and
whether clinically it offers a better alternative to regular SAM-e. SAM-E is
available in many forms. In order to stabilize the SAM-E molecule, and preven
degradation, an additional compound is attached the SAM-E molecule. These
compounds include tosylate, disulfate tosylate, disulfate ditosylate, and
1,4-butanedisulfonate and are typically written immediately after the chemical
name of SAM-E. Some inaccurately labeled products combine the weight of the
stabilizing compound with the weight of the "free" SAM-E. A product claiming to
have 200 mg. SAM-E may in fact contain only 100 mg. "free" SAM-E and 100 mg. of
the stabilizing compound. Consequently, a tablet containing 200 mg of S-adenosyl-methionine
disulfate tosylate will contain only 100 mg of SAM-E. This may end up being a
good thing since most people are taking too high a dosage of SAM-e.
Protective effects of S-adenosyl-L-methionine against
enzyme leakage from cultured hepatocytes and hypotonic hemolysis.
Japan J Pharmacol. 1990 Jan;52(1):45-9. Department of Pharmacology, School
of Medicine, Showa University, Tokyo, Japan.
Effects of S-adenosyl-L-methionine disulfate tosylate salt (SAMe ST) and L-methionine
(L-Met) on rat erythrocytes and primary cultured hepatocytes were studied. SAM-e-ST
in concentrations of 0.2 to 5.0 mg/ml protected erythrocytes from hypotonic
hemolysis. Almost an identical level of protection was provided by SAMe
chloride, suggesting that this protective effect is due to the SAM-e moiety
itself but not its sulfate or tosylate moiety. L-Met also showed a slight
protective effect, but at higher concentrations, it slightly enhanced hemolysis.
When the cultured hepatocytes were treated with SAM-e-ST, the leakage of enzymes
from the hepatocytes were significantly decreased compared with that in the
control. L-Met also showed similar protective effects, but to a lesser degree
than in the case of SAMe-ST. SAMe-ST significantly increased Na+.K(+)-ATPase
activity. The present results indicate that SAM-e remarkably inhibits hypotonic
hemolysis and enzyme leakage from cultured hepatocytes and that its mechanism is
probably related to a change in the membrane property.
Q. Just wanted to ask a few questions about
SAM-e. I started taking Karuna brand 200 mg twice a day. But my dr. wanted me to
increase it to three. When I increased it, boy did I get a reaction in the gut.
So I cut it back and still have lingering stuff with the gut. Now, my questions
are. Is the gut reaction a detox response? Will it go away with time? My dr.
says that the hydrochloric acid will destroy it in the stomach that's why its
enteric coated but Dr. Sahelian says that you can split a 200mg. which I have
done and that it builds up in the body. So how do you know how much you should
take? Its really confusing. I have a genetic defect that I dont convert
methionine into SAM-e and my norepinephrine is high and causing anxiety. My dr.
says that SAM-e does the converting into epinephrine. So, any help would be
appreciated.
A. One of the SAM-e side effects is nausea, and we prefer people
use smaller amounts of SAM-e since it builds up in the system over several days
of use. If 200 mg was fine the first day or two, it may not be the third or
fourth day since it builds up from the previous days. The side effects are not a
detox reaction.
Q. Does SAM-e make more alert and pushes you?
I have light depression, but also bad sleeping problems, so i cant cool down in
the Evenings well. I ask myself, if SAMe is the right way, if it gives you good
sleep or if its more alerting like your TMG - test? Would you recommend it if a
patient has sleeping problems (problems falling asleep).
A. SAM-e is not a good option to those who have sleep problems. It
causes alertness.
Q. Recently I bought a large quantity of sam-E and B
multivitamins. In May, 2007 I was diagnosed with an 8cm mass protruding from my
stomach. I started 5 different alternative cancer killers . The Dr still does
not know if it is benign or active, so he is ordering a new Cat scan. Is Sam E
is safe to take with a benign or active cancer? Thanks and Have a Wonderful
Forth of July. I did 30 years in the United States Air force so we could keep
this most wonderful country on God's Green Earth FREE!
A. SAM-e and B vitamins have not been tested in cases of cancer
treatment and we don't know if they would benefit or harm an existing tumor
growth and how they would interact with various chemotherapy medicines. To be on
the safe side, it is best to wait until the cancer is treated, or to take only
minimal amounts, such as portions of tablets or capsules, with frequent days
off. We wish you optimal healing.
Q. I have something amazing to say - you may not believe me but I am being totally honest. First let me compliment you on what a great site you have and your precaution and warning sections and healthy skepticism is good reading for a natural cynic as me. I am an Atheist by the way - can never understand what others mean about spirituality - I didn't believe in god a age 7 - perhaps due to my great inferiority complex and unhappiness. I do take a lot of nutritional supplements. This is what is amazing .. I have been depressed most of my life - often severely and being distraught is much worse then depression - many reasons contributed including an extremely poor memory (memory is not addressed in most IQ tests so my IQ was high and I was deemed an underachiever and "anxious"). Anxious my foot as I told my parents since age 10 - a neuro-psychologist tested me 5 years ago and found I do fine under pressure and have a moderate to severe memory problem. Only my high verbal skills save me so that most others think I am bright (but never was told I was bright as a kid and I wasn't) but I can't work or perform most jobs even competently. Did go to college and studied all the time and made the dean's list often. Following "easy instructions" is sometimes difficult though I can be very clever, witty, humorous and creative in some situations (I am very perceptive and intuitive so that I know what situations... test them all but I am rarely wrong in judging people and knowing what I can do and what I can't and who will like me or not ... way before other people know anything about me or have they might perceive me (I am way to complex for others to figure out, I guess). I noted the SAM-e write-up stressed low dosage - I take 2,000 mg of TMG - I take this in the morning - could some people need high doses of SAM-e pills? You should mention that in at least one case high TMG is needed. SAM-e supplement is the miracle. I would go off other anti-depressants in the past - most didn't work except Luvox helped a little - but now I take cheap SAM-e - I don't buy the expensive stuff. I take 2,000 mg of TMG (I don't know the equivalent SAM-e dose) and 1/2 hour later I take all B vitamins (though I've read that folic acid can either be a cure or cause of cancer - particularly anal cancer - so I take grape seed extract and other anti-oxidants to hopefully "cover myself". This is the first time since I was 12 (I am much older now - I do not wish to give out my age - I am though as one in a hundred people - I can pass for at least 10 years younger than my actual age (if not sometimes 20 years younger). Anyway for 6 months SAM-e has saved my life and I haven't been severely depressed and no I don't feel over-anxious or stimulated and yes I have my sex drive back (under most anti-depressants, orgasm was an impossible thing).
Q. I am currently on 40mg of Celexa for depression and
have been for about 2 years. It has only been mildly helpful for me. I want to
give SAM-e a try, but I can’t find any information about how I should make the
switch. Do I take both Celexa and SAM-e together for a while? Do I taper down
the Celexa and then start SAM-e? Do I quit Celexa cold turkey and start the
SAM-e immediately? Any information, studies, recommendation, you can point me to
would be greatly appreciated. I know SAM-e 200 mg
is available at 20 tablets and SAM-e 200 mg 60 tablets.
A. As a general rule, it is not a good idea to take a SAM-e
supplement along with pharmaceutical antidepressants. SAM-e is powerful and
should be considered as potent as a pharmaceutical antidepressant. Ideally a SAM-e
pill should be taken alone to determine how it is working by itself rather
than being confused on its effects when taken with Celexa or another
prescription antidepressant. There are no specific guidelines that apply to
every person since much depends on the dosage used of the medication and the
SAM-e, how long a person has been taking the medications, the severity of the
depression and the recovery, other medications used at the same time, other
supplements used, diet, activity level, sleep patterns, heart conditions, blood
pressure, and other factors.
Q. I am a reporter for a health magazine. How do you
recommend SAMe as a support for mood?
A. Although most studies have used dosages of SAMe in a range of
400 to 1000 mg a day for the treatment of depression, I have found that in
actual clinical practice that much lower amounts are quite as effective with
fewer side effects. When researchers study the effects of a particular medicine
or supplement, they only have a brief period of time to elicit a response since
they are limited by funds to keep the study short. However, this does not mean
that the dosages the scientists used for a few weeks are appropriate for
prolonged use for months or years. Many herbs and nutrients accumulate in the
body, or at least their affects accumulate. This is particularly true of SAMe.
When a person takes a 200 mg pill the first day (this is the most common dosage
available over the counter), there usually is some lingering effect the next
day. Therefore, when another 200 mg pill is taken the next day, it adds on to
some of the one from the day before and so on as the days progress. Hence, if
200 mg was effective the first few days, with continued use it may become too
high a dose and side effects could occur. The most common SAMe side effects I
have seen in my practice include overstimulation, anxiety, and insomnia. When
insomnia occurs and sleep disturbances occur, this can certainly lower mood and
energy level and hence it is clear to see how this could be counterproductive to
fighting depression. I suggest to my patients that if they start noticing these
side effects, to take a break from SAMe for a day and to resume at half the
dosage they were taking. As a rule, I find most people respond to a daily dose
(taken in the morning right before breakfast) of either 100 mg or 200 mg. SAM-e
is not recommended to those who have a tendency to mania.
Q. I have been taking Sam-e as an alternative to
antidepressants, I would like to try Passion Rx, so I want to know if I can
safely take Same and Passion Rxon alternating days? I think I read on your site
that I shouldn't take them at the same time.
A. They are both potent, the dosages should be kept low, perhaps
half a tablet and capsule, and the third day off, if your doctor approves.
Q. I read your page on SAMe, which was very informative. My
question is this: I'm normal. But my father suffered bipolar disorder and my
great uncle had Parkinson's. Will SAM-e can trigger these disorders to appear in
normal people who might have a genetic predisposition to such diseases based on
their family history? Are there any studies on this?
A. We have not seen studies regarding this issue, but SAMe could
trigger a manic episode even in those who are not predisposed to bipolar
disorder.
Q. I am thinking about taking Sam-e for fibromyalgia but I've
tried at least 9 other anti-depressants of various types and each one of them
has caused really bad depression. The anti-depressant wasn't prescribed for
depression though it has caused severe depression. I am wondering if SamE will
do the same.
A. It is impossible to predict any one individual's reaction, but
it is a good idea to start with a quarter of a SAMe tablet rather than a high
dose of 200 mg.
I just read some very interesting information on SAM-e on
Dr. Sahelian's site. I have been looking for a reliable source about natural
supplements and I just found one!! My husband and I had started taking SAM-e
pills a month or so ago. We are both in our mid 50s, overweight, and on daily
doses of Lexapro (10 mg for me, 20 for my husband) and have been for 3 years.
Neither one of us likes taking it, but when we try wean ourselves off we are
reminded very quickly about why we started it in the first place. We started on
200 mg of SAM-e supplement once in the morning at least half hour before
breakfast. I had read an article in one of the health journals I get and it said
that the dosage should be up to 800 mg daily. We really liked the way we felt at
200 mg but increased it to 400 mg. Whew! Wrong thing to do!! I had a severe
anxiety attack one or two nights after increasing the dose and my husband had
one the night after I did. So we weaned ourselves off the SAM-e. After stopping
SAM-e we both noticed that we had actually felt better on it and my knees didn't
pain me as much! That is why I started my search to find out more info. My niece
actually helped me on this. She asked her Naturopathic physician about this for
me and I found the term that helped me find out more-- SAM-e is a methyl-donor.
That led me to Dr. Sahelian's site and here we are. And I did subscribe to the
free newsletter that was offered. This is what I found out: It is best to take
SAM-e in low doses and not every day. Maybe 200 mg every other day-- or cut the
pill in two and take half one day on an empty stomach and the other half the
next day with food. At least once a week, we should take a break and not take it
at all. It should not be taken with a prescription antidepressant like Lexapro.
BUT...here is the reason why I am writing to you-- Eventually, we would like to
wean ourselves off Lexapro and take SAM-e instead. Is it a long term supplement?
I'm talking the rest of our lives? If that's the case, do we continually change
the dosage? AND can it be taken with fish oil? We have also started taking fish
oil--purchased through my niece's Naturopath- 2 capsules daily (1 with
breakfast, 1 with dinner) as well. There are SO MANY supplements and so many
varying opinions on how and why they should be used!!
Each person is different regarding the dosage of a supplement
or medication that works for them and the frequency of use. Long term human
studies have not been done with SAM-e antidepressant pills so we don't know what
would happen if these pills are taken for many years. The idea is to use the
least amount and take breaks from use. The exact regimen varies from one person
to another. Fish oils can be taken with most supplements if the dosage is less
than 3 capsules a day.
Is there any weight gain or loss from the use of SAM-e
pills?
I have not noticed an obvious or very clear effect but I have
not looked into this aspect in any great detail.
Firstly, I want to thank you for your comprehensive
website and middle of the road attitude towards herbal and vitamin
supplementation. It is very refreshing to hear a reasonable voice out there
concerning supplements especially from an M.D. My wife, who has an ileostomy for
many years (at age 19) as a result of a total colectomy performed for ulcerative
colitis, has begun taking Sam-E enteric-coated supplements (200-400 mg/day) on
an empty stomach. Occasionally, she will notice that a tablet will pass through
her intestinal tract intact. We assume that if a tablet passes intact that it is
a wasted dose and are not quite sure how to remedy this. Would it be better to
take the Sam-E with food or perhaps look for a Sam-E formula that is not enteric
coated (if there is one)?
Crushing the tablet before ingestion will likely benefit the
absorption. The required dosage is likely to be less since more of it will now
be absorbed.
I have been taking Sam-e for about 6 months now and am
happy that it deals with my slight depression issues. I take 400 mg daily as
recommended by my naturopath. I just read your site and will back down on my
dose because I have experienced gastrointestinal and slight anxiety issues. My
question is that I have gained 10 lbs since I started taking Sam-e. Do you know
of any effects caused by SAM-e on weight gain? If so is there anything you
recommend to offset the weight gain? I would appreciate any advice! It nice to
not be depressed but I will say that such a weight gain had negative effects on
my mood.
SAM-e pills have a tendency to stimulate and perhaps one
would unconsciously eat more to help slow down or relax. I have not had such
feedback yet regarding SAM-e supplement use and weight gain issues but it is
possible. Using a lower dosage may help. I can't make specific recommendations
on what to take to reduce the weight gain but you could take a look at the
information on this website regarding diet and weight loss.
I have a question on the topic of SAM-e. At the top of Dr.
Sahelian's web page on SAM-e, he mentions that it is made from the amino acid
methionine and ATP. Question: Instead of buying SAM-e, can you get the same
benefits from combining a methionine pill and ATP? Will it convert to give the
same effects of SAM-e, or would it be best to just take the mood enhancing
supplement itself?
I have not tested the combination of methionine and ATP
supplements, but I would suspect that they would not have the same effect as
taking a SAM-e pill.